How Many 365 GT 2+2's Today

Boxer42 · Post by **Boxer42** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:14 am

Of the 801 Ferrari 365 GT2+2's originally produced, how many have survived ? :?:

Post by **tyang** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:52 pm

There really is no real way of knowing. Cars crash, get parted out, rust away, and disappear, and no one keeps track of every car. The lower production cars are easier to track, and many of those are accounted for, but even with comprehensive registries like Kerry's 330 GT 2+2 registry, and Bill Preston's 250GTE Resistry, not all the cars are accounted. Whenever I hear a number of surviving XXX 2+2s, I know they pulled that number out of their...

Tom

Matt F · Post by **Matt F** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 10:12 pm

Could we get a reasonably close number for existing 330 2+2s, based on Kerry's registry?

Post by **tyang** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:49 pm

Hi Matt,

Maybe, but Kerry's constantly meeting new people who don't know about the registry. There are still a lot of Vintage Ferrari owners that are not "web enabled" and may never be, so I can't see how accurate that number could be.

Kerry:
Would you mind sharing how many active cars in your registry of the 1000 or so 330s?

Tom

Post by **330GT** » Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:54 pm

From the 330 GT Registry:
Total 330 GTs and Americas made - 1139
Total 330 GTs and Americas with some information - 814
Total 330 GTs and Americas with detail later than 1995 - 527

So, I know something about 2/3 of all made and of those, about 5/8 are still around within the last 8 years.

donv · Post by **donv** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 12:56 pm

There is someone who is working on creating a 365 2+2 registry.

I suspect that there is a pretty high percentage surviving, compared to the 330s and 250s, just because the 365s were not used for any reproductions that I am aware of.

jsa330 · Post by **jsa330** » Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:09 pm

tyang wrote:Hi Matt,

Maybe, but Kerry's constantly meeting new people who don't know about the registry. There are still a lot of Vintage Ferrari owners that are not "web enabled" and may never be, so I can't see how accurate that number could be.

Kerry:
Would you mind sharing how many active cars in your registry of the 1000 or so 330s?

Tom

There have to be more than just a few sitting unused in garages, the property of very elderly owners or their widows. These guys were probably 35 yrs. old + when they bought the cars in the late 50's or the 60's. $16,000.00 was big bucks in those days and I think wealth and purchasing power for luxury items tended to come at a generally later age than it does now.

Boxer42 · Post by **Boxer42** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 1:40 am

Per bluecat49's comments, I have seen a couple of 365 GT 2+2's emerge out of barns/garages in France in the last year. In both cases the cars had been left sitting since the mid 1980's. In one case, the elderly owner was asking for Euro 25,000 but the car looked like it needed about twice that to get it back on the road.

jsa330 · Post by **jsa330** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 12:34 pm

Boxer42 wrote:Per bluecat49's comments, I have seen a couple of 365 GT 2+2's emerge out of barns/garages in France in the last year. In both cases the cars had been left sitting since the mid 1980's. In one case, the elderly owner was asking for Euro 25,000 but the car looked like it needed about twice that to get it back on the road.

I guess that situation can be a blessing and a curse. On one hand you've got a car thats been sitting longterm out of the elements and is one owner, maybe 2-3 owners max, complete and original or close, and hasn't suffered the banging up of multiple ownership. On the other hand, brake fluid that hasn't been changed for 25 years, an engine and drivetrain filled with muddy sludge for oil, dried and cracked gaskets and seals and the consequent multiple leaks, rotten rubber parts and tires, and so on add up to $$$ and time to get it going again. Still, if I became willing to part with the money and had the space I wouldn't pass up (another) good "barn find".

Boxer42 · Post by **Boxer42** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 3:39 pm

If you are interested in the French 365 GT 2+2 let me know and I will see if I can still find the gentlemen's name and contact information.

jsa330 · Post by **jsa330** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 3:55 pm

Boxer42 wrote:If you are interested in the French 365 GT 2+2 let me know and I will see if I can still find the gentlemen's name and contact information.

I appreciate it but all 3 of my car spaces are full -- 330 and 4Runner in garage and big Mercury in carport.

Michael Bayer · Post by **Michael Bayer** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 5:11 pm

Kerry: Could you break the totals of what you know about into the three type cars: the Americas, the Series Is and Series IIs? Michael Bayer 1967 330GT #9727

Post by **330GT** » Mon Sep 06, 2004 9:29 pm

<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="4" id="table1"><tr><td>Type</td> <td>Made </td><td>Known</td><td>>1995</td><td>Rebodied</td> </tr> <tr> <td>America</td> <td>50</td> <td>45 </td> <td>34</td> <td>2</td> </tr> <tr> <td>4HL</td> <td>628 </td> <td>431 </td> <td>268 </td> <td>41 </td> </tr> <tr> <td>2HL</td> <td>460 </td> <td>339 </td> <td>214 </td> <td>7</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Totals</td> <td>1138 </td> <td>815 </td> <td>516 </td> <td>41</td> </tr> </table>
Note, these totals different slightly from what I posted before, mainly due to removing VINs that I know something about but can't publish due to copyright. So these are what actually appears in the registry website. The other interesting count is the number of rebodied cars. It's not nearly as high as everybody thinks. Now perhaps some of the missing ones have been rebodied with the chassis number re-stamped, etc. so the origin of the chassis isn't known.

Bryan P · Post by **Bryan P** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 11:43 am

[quote]There is someone who is working on creating a 365 2+2 registry[/quote]

that would be me - v e r y s l o w l y

In terms of % surviving of these particular models, I agree w/ the educated guesses of Kerry and Kurt Vandenburg, the keeper of the 250 PF Coupe registry, who opines that half to 2/3 of the 350 PF Coupes survive.

I also agree w/ Bluecat and Tom that there are cars stashed all over the world that we'll never know about. I recall a few years ago on this very site where a poster from the Philipines informed us of a rusting 365GT2+2 he had seen that had weeds growing out of it. I asked him for the s/n but did not hear back . . .

I suppose because of the longer wheelbase and the independent rear/pneumatic levelers, Don V is right that Queens would tend to be cannabalized less than GTEs and 330s. A couple have been made into 250 California replicas and a few have been cut to look like 365 Californias. On the other hand, I think the Queen's 365 2-cam motors would be very attractive targets for the re-creation crowd. Aren't there more than a couple of TR recreations running around w/ tipo 245 motors in them?

Matt F · Post by **Matt F** » Tue Sep 07, 2004 1:49 pm

330GT wrote:The other interesting count is the number of rebodied cars. It's not nearly as high as everybody thinks.

That is interesting, and somewhat surprising, or at least contrary to my own misconception.

Is the 4HL Rebodied number right? Or is the total rebodied off?