rear luggage rack query

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Along with my car came an interesting item I had not seen before -- a matching luggage rack assembly that fits in place of the rear seats. The previous owner said that it was given to him by a friend shortly after he purchased the car. It was described to me as a “dealer installed option” for these cars, that was original from Ferrari.

I’m skeptical as to its origin, and don’t know whether it was homemade, whether the description I got was accurate, or whether it's from another car. Anyway, I thought folks might be interested in seeing it. Perhaps someone knows its origin or history.

I should note that its “assembly number” is 852, suggesting that it is from Ferrari, and from a later car (perhaps a 330 GTC), which might make sense. My assembly number is 697.

Here are some images of it:

[img]http://128.111.223.42/oldstuff/luggage-outside-1.jpg[/img ]
[img]http://128.111.223.42/oldstuff/luggage-outside-2.jpg[/img ]
[img]http://128.111.223.42/oldstuff/luggage-1.jpg[/img ]
[img]http://128.111.223.42/oldstuff/luggage-2.jpg[/img ]
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Post by andrew »

once more (had an extra space in there):

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Paul Lenoard from this site has a 330 that has this installed in his car. I would contact him about this. For sure the body number on the one part is fairly certain it was part of the production, just like they do the other parts. I see only one item marked with the body number...does the other one have the same number?

I think these are neat . . . there are luggage straps that go with this - - hooks on the rear deck and on the floor (i think)
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I'm not sure that the other one has the same number, since it is covered with black felt secured by staples that I'd rather not remove. I assume it does, since they came together and match up otherwise.
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Post by tyang »

Hi Andrew,

Definitely looks like Pininfarina coach work with a PF assembly number. Some of the guys into Telaio should be able to tell you which car this came from from the PF number. Kare?

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Post by DBR330GT »

That's pretty neat. My car is said to have come with fitted luggage which was placed on the back seats. They are long gone, but the third owner who had the car in 1970 said they were present. Given the royal lineage I suspect the car was delivered that way.

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Post by 330GT »

The Pininfarina records aren't alway accurate when matching up a body number with a serial number. However, 852 (+300) = 1152 or 152 for 3 digits. That body number matches up with a RHD 330 GT, #5853. This car was damaged in an accident early on, supposedly sent back to the factory for repair and then bought by Maranello Concessionaires (UK dealer) back in 1966. Nothing further on the car.

The rear luggage shelf was a factory option, installed on several 330 GTs. There's no note on your car that this was ordered originally from the factory. I don't know enough about the rear seat shape of a 4HL 330 GT and a 250 GTE (same body as your America) to know if the rear seat area is identical.

One might ask why the +300 figure above. Pininfarina assigned a build number sequentially with each order from Ferrari. There were exactly 700 250 GTEs and 330 Americas built by PF. When they started building 330 GTs, PF started with 001 for the build number, but continued with 701 being the body number stamped/written/chalked on the various body parts. Thus the 300 delta between 1001 and 701.

But having these pictures is quite nice. When Paul Leonard was trying to figure out the luggage shelf on his car, he would have really like them.
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The Pininfarina records are, however, the truth as we know it. unfortunately people who copied the records made some mistakes and missed some numbers, but basically these records are as realiable as a source can get!

What comes to #852, the body number belongs to 8635GT (5853 was #152!!!) - a 330GT destined to Ricceri in Germany (?) and seems to have been lost forever.

Have never seen photos of a luggage tray, but by the list price (peanuts!) I have figured out it must have been a very simple set up that could be installed either upon or nistead of (removed) rear seat. Quite a few cars were delivered with it, but most of them must have ended among old tyres, skis and other stuff that accumulates into back of garages and finally (a decade or two after the car has been sold) gets thrown away.

Andrew, if you "assembly number" is 697, does this mean you awn 330 America 5109/GT (PF/68697) or 330 GT 8095 (#697)...?

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Post by 330GT »

Kare, all of the stamped/written/chalked PF body numbers on 330 GTs are 300 (or 700 depending on which way you do the math) numbers off of the PF build number. See my explanation above. So 852 - 700 is 152, or 5853.

On 8755, my 330 GT, the build number is 891, but every part is marked as 592.

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I'm not sure why the single digit difference, probably someone at PF making an error.

PS, Andrew's car is 5109, 330 America.
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>Kare, all of the stamped/written/chalked PF body numbers on 330 GTs
>are 300 (or 700 depending on which way you do the math) numbers off
>of the PF build number. See my explanation above. So 852 - 700 is
>152, or 5853.

Yes, I forgot that they started over the numbering of body parts when 330GT production started. Very confusing, maybe this is why they later decided to introduce yet another system, the assembly sequence numbers...

>I'm not sure why the single digit difference, probably someone at PF
>making an error.

Have you checked the job number with the factory? Job/body/assembly numbers as listed by Raab contain lot of of typos.
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