THis is my third attempt to get a certificate. They always tell me that a number in incorrect, but never fully explain....I have gotten some leads from this forum, but wanted to run this by you guys again:
1. Car model is a drop list, so I picked 250GT 2+2
2. Chassis number is either:
a. 4823
b. 4823 GT
c. 04823
3. Type of engine is either
a. 128F
b. 128 F
c. 1388/62E
d. 3.0 litre V8
4. Number of engine is either
a. 4823 GT
b. 128F
5. Type of gearbox:
a. 4sp. OD
b. 508E/55719 (main housing)
c. 508E/55921 (rear)
d. 163/63
6. Number of gearbox is
a. 163/63
b. 508E/55719
7. Type of rear axle:
a. 7X32
8. Number of rear axle
a. 25 363
Can someone who received the certificate for the GTE help me with the formatting? As in 1c, 2b, 3a, none of the above....
Here is an e-mail that I got from Ferrari about the formatting after I could not find specific info from the owners.ferrari "more info" button:
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Please note that these data are made up of the following series of
numbers and/or letters:
Engine type: 000A/00
Gearbox and rear axle type: 000A/00
Engine number: 0000/00
Gearbox and rear axle number: 000/00
thx, luke
1963 250 GTE #4823
heritage certificate formatting, again...
heritage certificate formatting, again...
Ex 1963 Ferrari 250 GTE, 99 Modena 360, 11 Maserati QPorte S, 08 merc gl550, 67 Cadillac Coupe DeVille Convertible, 2008 Ducati Hypermotard S, 2006 MV Agusta Brutale S, 1991 Ducati 907i.e.
Engine Number
Luke,
I believe the stamped engine number they want is not the one that matches the chassis number, but the other stamped one which is the engine's "numero interno". On my 330, I think it's stamped under the chassis-number stamp on the right rear side of the engine. It's hard to find unless you're looking for it.
Deane
I believe the stamped engine number they want is not the one that matches the chassis number, but the other stamped one which is the engine's "numero interno". On my 330, I think it's stamped under the chassis-number stamp on the right rear side of the engine. It's hard to find unless you're looking for it.
Deane
Deane
'67 330GTS (gone but not forgotten)
'67 330GTS (gone but not forgotten)
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I have not tried to get the heritage certificate, but did get the build sheet after multiple conversations with Ferrari. I think the numbers you should use are:
Chassis Number: 4823GT (no space)
Engine Type: 128F (my build sheet shows the number as 128F/63 (63 being the year), but it is not shown that way on the car)
Number of Engine: This is stamped on a projection on the right rear of the engine. The chassis number is on the top, the engine number is on the side. The format is 000/00A (the second half of my number is 62E, so it may mean my engine was built in 1962)
Type of Gearbox: I said "4 Speed Manual with Laycock Overdrive"
Number of Gearbox: 136/63 (The bottom is the year built, the top is the number in the series)
Type of Rear Axle: 7 x32
Number of Rear Axle: Same format as the Gearbox and so I think yours should be 253/63. (My production number was only three less then the production number of the Gearbox, for what that's worth)
The other key item is that the photos should be no larger than 500kb. The site takes larger, but crashes often. If all else fails, email the numbers and photos to Tiziana Mecozzi, who is in charge of the Ferrari Owners Site Customer Care, at CustomerService@Ferrari.Owners.com . I found her to be very helpfull.
Chassis Number: 4823GT (no space)
Engine Type: 128F (my build sheet shows the number as 128F/63 (63 being the year), but it is not shown that way on the car)
Number of Engine: This is stamped on a projection on the right rear of the engine. The chassis number is on the top, the engine number is on the side. The format is 000/00A (the second half of my number is 62E, so it may mean my engine was built in 1962)
Type of Gearbox: I said "4 Speed Manual with Laycock Overdrive"
Number of Gearbox: 136/63 (The bottom is the year built, the top is the number in the series)
Type of Rear Axle: 7 x32
Number of Rear Axle: Same format as the Gearbox and so I think yours should be 253/63. (My production number was only three less then the production number of the Gearbox, for what that's worth)
The other key item is that the photos should be no larger than 500kb. The site takes larger, but crashes often. If all else fails, email the numbers and photos to Tiziana Mecozzi, who is in charge of the Ferrari Owners Site Customer Care, at CustomerService@Ferrari.Owners.com . I found her to be very helpfull.
I have a mongrel
I am not able to get a certificate ! I am hoping that even if my car has been declared a mongrel, I can still get info about the color / first sold to stuff...
Here is the rule, should somebody else come across the same issue.
Dear Mr Kowalski,
We inform you that we cannot issue the Heritage Certificate of your
Ferrari 250 GT 2+2 because the rear axle and the gearbox are not the same
as the one originally assembled on the car when it left the factory.
Please note that it is not possible to issue any document or
certificate if, after carrying out the necessary checks of the technical data of
a car, Ferrari realizes that parts of the car are not in accordance
with the original ones.
Should you need further information, please do not hesitate to contact
us.
Best regards,
Ferrari Customer Care
Here is the rule, should somebody else come across the same issue.
Dear Mr Kowalski,
We inform you that we cannot issue the Heritage Certificate of your
Ferrari 250 GT 2+2 because the rear axle and the gearbox are not the same
as the one originally assembled on the car when it left the factory.
Please note that it is not possible to issue any document or
certificate if, after carrying out the necessary checks of the technical data of
a car, Ferrari realizes that parts of the car are not in accordance
with the original ones.
Should you need further information, please do not hesitate to contact
us.
Best regards,
Ferrari Customer Care
Ex 1963 Ferrari 250 GTE, 99 Modena 360, 11 Maserati QPorte S, 08 merc gl550, 67 Cadillac Coupe DeVille Convertible, 2008 Ducati Hypermotard S, 2006 MV Agusta Brutale S, 1991 Ducati 907i.e.
Numbers
Are you sure you have located correct numbers on your gearbox and rear end? The gearbox number is located on the topside of the gearbox, I haven't looked for the rear end number on our car yet so I don't know where that might be.
For your car I would expect something around 250 for both components with or without a suffix (E, 62, 63 or something like that). Is that "25 363"
actually 253/63? Rear axle type should be 508E (as for chassis and gearbox too) Is you gearbox stamped 163/63?
What comes to basic info, I got it by simply asking: I submitted chassis/engine numbers (3197GT/988E62) and factory responded by confirming engine number, build date, color code and destination. I also got the engine number/build date confirmed for a 250GT TdF (0723GT/51B) owned by a friend of mine.
Best wishes, Kare
For your car I would expect something around 250 for both components with or without a suffix (E, 62, 63 or something like that). Is that "25 363"
actually 253/63? Rear axle type should be 508E (as for chassis and gearbox too) Is you gearbox stamped 163/63?
What comes to basic info, I got it by simply asking: I submitted chassis/engine numbers (3197GT/988E62) and factory responded by confirming engine number, build date, color code and destination. I also got the engine number/build date confirmed for a 250GT TdF (0723GT/51B) owned by a friend of mine.
Best wishes, Kare
I submitted all sorts of combinations and tried it three times. I had 4 people look for numbers while the OD was out. I was finally referred to an archivist who determined that my rear end was swapped from another car (no big deal to me, but it makes it unworthy of a certificate). For my own pleasure, I can do a screenshot of the Heritage Certificate and paste in my own mumbers in Photoshop. I would never pass it off as the original document or share it with anyone, and I will probably forget about it when some new projects come in at work...
The Ferrari folks were nice enough to send this:
We inform you that the original factory specification external colour
of your Ferrari is Grigio Argento 20265 A It. with black leather (Pelle
Nera VM 8500) interior and the car was produced in July 1963.
As regards your question concerning the first owner, we cannot provide
you with his name because of privacy reasons.
Is "Grigio Argento" gray, or silver metallic ? The gray GTEs were not metallic, were they? They were kind of charcoal, right?
The Ferrari folks were nice enough to send this:
We inform you that the original factory specification external colour
of your Ferrari is Grigio Argento 20265 A It. with black leather (Pelle
Nera VM 8500) interior and the car was produced in July 1963.
As regards your question concerning the first owner, we cannot provide
you with his name because of privacy reasons.
Is "Grigio Argento" gray, or silver metallic ? The gray GTEs were not metallic, were they? They were kind of charcoal, right?
Ex 1963 Ferrari 250 GTE, 99 Modena 360, 11 Maserati QPorte S, 08 merc gl550, 67 Cadillac Coupe DeVille Convertible, 2008 Ducati Hypermotard S, 2006 MV Agusta Brutale S, 1991 Ducati 907i.e.
Grigio argento
Grigio Argento 20265A by Italver is the basic silver color used by ferrari at this time (towards mid 60's). I think "A" stands for acrylic paint, which were introduced around 1960 or so.
Best wishes, Kare
Best wishes, Kare
re: hertiage
That is the problem. According to the archivist, my (the car's) rear end has been swapped at some point in its past, so they cannot issue a hertiage certificate for such a non-original car. (I thought that matching engine/Chassis/Gearbox was enough, particularly since the rear axle seems to be an optional field, but no....)
It is OK.....The tears flowed freely at first, but I am much better now.
It is OK.....The tears flowed freely at first, but I am much better now.
Ex 1963 Ferrari 250 GTE, 99 Modena 360, 11 Maserati QPorte S, 08 merc gl550, 67 Cadillac Coupe DeVille Convertible, 2008 Ducati Hypermotard S, 2006 MV Agusta Brutale S, 1991 Ducati 907i.e.