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Post by sam231 » Wed May 21, 2008 8:43 am

We can all tiptoe about this one, but it would be instructive to hear comments about the effect on our hobby/sport from the rising cost of fuel.

I guess we ought to be glad being owners of older cars that can use 2-3 tanks of 85 octane at a time, but boy, it's getting expensive. Between the Ferrari, my Volvo and my wife's Passat I spent $125.00 on gas this past weekend. If the Ferrari were trailered by a big SUV it would have been double. It will be interesting to see if there is an effect on the number of cars coming to events, and also whether or not it cools the feeding frenzy over new models in this country. At least now I do not have to go to Europe to feel the pain!
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Post by tyang » Wed May 21, 2008 9:39 am

Hi Sam,

Europeans have been dealing with high gas prices for a lot longer than we have, and they still drive classics. My daily commuter gets 30mpg, and it affords me the occasional drive in my gas hungry classics. Thankfully, my Sunbeam gets about 28mpg!

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Post by sam231 » Wed May 21, 2008 10:02 am

Hi Tom,

My family moved to Providence to reduce my commute to work from 30-45 minutes to 5 minutes............then my wife takes a job @ Wheaton College and has a 45 min. commute! Don't figure. She gets good mileage , but the twin turbo Volvo sucks fuel around town like a, dare I say it, Ferrari!

Wonder if the 8.8-1 compression Ferrari can burn cooking oil...Back to the Future! ;>)
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Post by Dr. Ian Levy » Wed May 21, 2008 10:22 am

Hello from the UK
You guys have really got it tough.!!!
Here. Premium 4 star is £1.10 a litre & diesel is £1.25 litre at discount petrol retailers Between my Saab & my wife's Honda my fuel bill monthly is more than £300 Sterling
Sam, A single tankful in my Saab Cabrio costs about the $125 you mention for all your three car.
I am not selling my Ferrari but when I can get leaded petrol a tankful cost me upwards of £75 sterling
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Post by sam231 » Wed May 21, 2008 12:41 pm

Ouch!

Ian, I guess pretty soon we will all be in the same boat for a change.

Hope you and your family are well.

Sam
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Post by davidoloan » Wed May 21, 2008 12:52 pm

Yep, you Americans are lucky. I pay approx £120 a week / approx $235 per week for petrol. This is about $12000 a year for 25000 miles.

I think the current oil price is a speculative bubble driven by investment funds and it will come back down. That will benefit Americans straight away while we will be still have high prices due to our almost 200% !!! tax rate combining Fuel Duty and Value Added Tax.

Gordon Brown today blamed OPEC for restricting supply. But this is not the case. Supply is meeting demand. America and Europe are using less, developing countries are using more, but there is no shortage.
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Post by Dr. Ian Levy » Wed May 21, 2008 12:59 pm

Hi Sam
Thanks for your good wishes & the same to you & yours
I hope to make it over to the "Fall gathering" so maybe see you all soon-if I can afford the airline fuel surcherge: that is
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Post by xs10shl » Wed May 21, 2008 1:36 pm

My guess is that the impact will be almost zero, except for the rare individual who uses his car daily for long commutes.

I am however quite concerned about repeated attempts by legislators to require smog checks for all vehicles - that would put a crimp in the hobby for sure.

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Post by steve lapp » Wed May 21, 2008 5:14 pm

I have wondered what it would take to run a vintage v12 on 100%ethanol, it might be expensive, but maybe not much different than today's gasoline prices, and ethanol could arguably be said to have a much lower carbon foorprint (yes, food to fuel, tractors and all that to be accounted for). I assume all carburetor gaskets and float valve components would have to be ethanol tolerant, what about compression ratio and timing, anyone know details?
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Post by airsanford » Thu May 22, 2008 9:46 pm

ethanol is crap. Only 60% of the BTU content of gasoline, 1.5 BTU of energy (fossil fuel) in to produce 1 BTU of energy out. Another stupid political boondoggle made possible by a 51 cent/gal subsidy by the criminals in DC against a 54 cent/gal tariff on imports from Brazil.

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Post by Rudy van Daalen Wetters » Fri May 23, 2008 1:08 am

Give me back the days when you could pull into a Texaco
station and get leaded 105 Octane Fuel for cheap. Back then
the tail pipes had a beautiful light grey color and the engine sang
in sweet harmony. Ok, it may have been deadlier but today's prices
are having the same effect on me.

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Post by whturner » Fri May 23, 2008 10:45 am

steve lapp wrote:I have wondered what it would take to run a vintage v12 on 100%ethanol, it might be expensive, but maybe not much different than today's gasoline prices, and ethanol could arguably be said to have a much lower carbon foorprint (yes, food to fuel, tractors and all that to be accounted for). I assume all carburetor gaskets and float valve components would have to be ethanol tolerant, what about compression ratio and timing, anyone know details?

Hi Steve:

If you research the early hot-rod literature you will find a wealth of Information on burning alcohol, usually methanol, but sometime ethanol. Basically, you have to rejet your carbs for almost a 2X fuel flow, to make up for the lower BTU content. The effective octane rating is better than gas so you can boost your timeing a bit. But there will be starting problems, so nobody in the old days ran alcohol in street machines.
And since your gas mileage will be almost 1/2 of your gasoline mileage, you won't save money.

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Post by Koll » Fri May 23, 2008 11:50 pm

davidoloan wrote:
Gordon Brown today blamed OPEC for restricting supply. But this is not the case. Supply is meeting demand. America and Europe are using less, developing countries are using more, but there is no shortage.
Your situation is outrageous. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Britian (& Norway) a net exporter of oil as a result of the North Sea fields? But, oil is the ultimate fungable commodity. I agree about the speculation bubble. Oil went from $90 to $130 in a little over a month - however none of the fundamentals changed.

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Post by Dr. Ian Levy » Sat May 24, 2008 2:54 am

Koll
You are correct & the UK is a net exporter of oil & the start-up of six new fields inc the huge Buzzard field have resulted in a production increase of about 3% over the last year
The UK also exports more oil than it uses domestically so why are the massive increase continuing??
I agree that the situation is outrageous but as long as the UK government needs to fund indiscriminate spending; the motorist is an easy source of revenue
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Re: Gas Price

Post by davidoloan » Sat May 24, 2008 5:35 am

Dr. Ian Levy wrote: I agree that the situation is outrageous but as long as the UK government needs to fund indiscriminate spending; the motorist is an easy source of revenue
Regards
Ian
Hi Dr. Ian,
You are being too cynical. The motoring taxes are to encourage us to use our cars in an environmentally friendly way, and as soon as industry / science comes up with a clean way to make hydrogen or electricity, the approx £50 billion motoring taxes will be abolished immediately. :wink:
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