Bypass filters in Columbo 4 liter engines
Bypass filters in Columbo 4 liter engines
Here's a basic question that I could not find in the archives.
I understand that the paired oil filters in the 4 liter Columbo engines (as in the 330 GTC) are not identical, one being a bypass filter with a finer particle size.
Can you still get the 2 types of filters; from what source? I also understand the commonly found Fram filter has a bursting strength of only 200 psi and the specs call for 500 psi. What do you guys do?
Related to this, I read warnings against multigrade oils in these old engines, any thoughts?
Finally, and importantly, does anyone know at what chassis # in the 330 GTC series they switched fron the soft bronze valve guides to the harder ones? Does anyone know a sourse of the harder valve guides and how big a deal it is to convert the older cars?
Thanks alot, I'm trying to learn!
Michael Stribling in Franklin NC
I understand that the paired oil filters in the 4 liter Columbo engines (as in the 330 GTC) are not identical, one being a bypass filter with a finer particle size.
Can you still get the 2 types of filters; from what source? I also understand the commonly found Fram filter has a bursting strength of only 200 psi and the specs call for 500 psi. What do you guys do?
Related to this, I read warnings against multigrade oils in these old engines, any thoughts?
Finally, and importantly, does anyone know at what chassis # in the 330 GTC series they switched fron the soft bronze valve guides to the harder ones? Does anyone know a sourse of the harder valve guides and how big a deal it is to convert the older cars?
Thanks alot, I'm trying to learn!
Michael Stribling in Franklin NC
Hi Michael,
I'm not sure if I've read warnings about multigrade oils in older engines, but I've heard of problems with synthetics.
I've seen Baldwins burst as well as Frams, but they have always happened on cold starts on cold days. The thick oil, and high pressure can do it!
Tom
I'm not sure if I've read warnings about multigrade oils in older engines, but I've heard of problems with synthetics.
I've seen Baldwins burst as well as Frams, but they have always happened on cold starts on cold days. The thick oil, and high pressure can do it!
Tom
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convert it
as for the conversion to harder Valve Guides
the Apen / Roush Book:
"Ferrari Tuning Tips and Maintainance Techniques"
FAF / Veloce Press
has a good description of the process, parts, etc
this book is crude (by modern standards)
the typos can be maddening (at times)
and some suggestions horrifying (at best)
but
still a GREAT resource
for the 'lost art' of
the care and feeding of Vintage V12s
I highly recommend getting a copy
try
http://www.velocepress.com
http://www.amazon.com
the Apen / Roush Book:
"Ferrari Tuning Tips and Maintainance Techniques"
FAF / Veloce Press
has a good description of the process, parts, etc
this book is crude (by modern standards)
the typos can be maddening (at times)
and some suggestions horrifying (at best)
but
still a GREAT resource
for the 'lost art' of
the care and feeding of Vintage V12s
I highly recommend getting a copy
try
http://www.velocepress.com
http://www.amazon.com
Re: convert it
Thanks for your kind post. I do have this book and it does seem to be a great reference although a lot of the sourses don't seem to be in business any more.
fest wrote:as for the conversion to harder Valve Guides
the Apen / Roush Book:
"Ferrari Tuning Tips and Maintainance Techniques"
FAF / Veloce Press
has a good description of the process, parts, etc
this book is crude (by modern standards)
the typos can be maddening (at times)
and some suggestions horrifying (at best)
but
still a GREAT resource
for the 'lost art' of
the care and feeding of Vintage V12s
I highly recommend getting a copy
try
http://www.velocepress.com
http://www.amazon.com
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GTC Oil Filters
Hello Michael,
I have owned a GTC for longer than I care to admit and live in Wisconsin. Up here we are not known for warm temperatures. I have not experienced an oil filter bursting, but I usually do not subject the car to extreme temperatures. In addition to that, I always observe prudent warm-up proceedures.
As far as your question regarding multi-viscosity oils, they shouldn`t be a problem as long as you don`t go to extremes. I wouldn`t use the new 5w-30 oils in my street car, nor would I use straight 50 weight in Ferrari.
For the oil filters, I have heard lots of good things about"Baldwins"and I obtain them from Geoff Ohland @ "Partsource". He has a website and I`m sure he can help you out.
Regards,
Giovanni
I have owned a GTC for longer than I care to admit and live in Wisconsin. Up here we are not known for warm temperatures. I have not experienced an oil filter bursting, but I usually do not subject the car to extreme temperatures. In addition to that, I always observe prudent warm-up proceedures.
As far as your question regarding multi-viscosity oils, they shouldn`t be a problem as long as you don`t go to extremes. I wouldn`t use the new 5w-30 oils in my street car, nor would I use straight 50 weight in Ferrari.
For the oil filters, I have heard lots of good things about"Baldwins"and I obtain them from Geoff Ohland @ "Partsource". He has a website and I`m sure he can help you out.
Regards,
Giovanni
workshop literature
I am looking for literature before starting the assembly process of my GTE. Can anybody provide an electronical file (pdf?) of these two books:
a) "Ferrari Tuning Tips and Maintainance Techniques" by John Apen
b) "Ferrari Guide to performance - essential tune-up secrets for Ferraris through the early V-8s"
best regards, Martin
a) "Ferrari Tuning Tips and Maintainance Techniques" by John Apen
b) "Ferrari Guide to performance - essential tune-up secrets for Ferraris through the early V-8s"
best regards, Martin
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Re: workshop literature
Both are available on Amazon:Melchior wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:51 am I am looking for literature before starting the assembly process of my GTE. Can anybody provide an electronical file (pdf?) of these two books:
a) "Ferrari Tuning Tips and Maintainance Techniques" by John Apen
b) "Ferrari Guide to performance - essential tune-up secrets for Ferraris through the early V-8s"
best regards, Martin
https://www.amazon.com/Ferrari-Tuning-T ... 1588500128
https://www.amazon.com/Ferrari-Guide-Pe ... 1588500039
Regards, Kerry
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Re: Bypass filters in Columbo 4 liter engines
The change in Fram filter specs gave rise to a lot of discussion on Fchat, https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threa ... es.463579/
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Re: Bypass filters in Columbo 4 liter engines
It seems to me that Tom opined on this subject, in detail, some time ago, but I'm too lazy to go a searchin' However, here's a nicely written, and as usual, thorough piece on the subject by Dyke Ridgley (DWR46). SPOILER ALERT: bring your favorite fluid dynamics engineer to help you understand the nuances of oil flow,
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4996&p=38780&hilit= ... ers#p38780
BTW: Baldwin 253 filters are readily available on eBay and factory direct.
steve
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4996&p=38780&hilit= ... ers#p38780
BTW: Baldwin 253 filters are readily available on eBay and factory direct.
steve
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