Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:57 am

John Vardanian wrote:
250GT wrote:
John Vardanian wrote:Hi Cornelis, these are great reference photos. Thank you. I see where some cars had black door caps. I Also noticed an interesting feature in where the fuel filler door also works as a cap to the tank.

john

John, the fact that the door caps were painted black had a reason in the 50th.
this is called "passiv security" sound comical now.
But this was a line of thoughts.
The driver should be FULL focused on what he is doing.
and not be distracted by refflection and other things
The direction switch Ceam on the steering columm MUST but be put back to neutral also concirning this
principle but was actuelly introduced on PF-COUPE ,
Maybe only practiced on euroeen cars.
This" passiv security" can be read in several carmagazines of those days.

C.

P.S.new pictures later
Ferrari and "passive safety". That's a joke. They could start by labeling their switches. Now that would go a long way for safety.

john
John, could it be you're bakelite knobs are missing something?
w=wiper I=interior lamp etc etc
Maybe you can find ALSO a note too for this special ordered knobs.
see doorcap note !
THIS IS ONLY DUTCHHUMOR.
I did owned several PF's all with an indication ,but not on the beavertail switches of course.
best
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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by tyang » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:10 am

John Vardanian wrote:
250GT wrote:Pic 5

C.
Okay, see if anyone (well, PF Coupe lover) can point out the oddity in Conelis' Post 419.

john
If the picture you're asking about is the the one with the luggage, I give up!

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:35 am

tyang wrote:
John Vardanian wrote:
250GT wrote:Pic 5

C.
Okay, see if anyone (well, PF Coupe lover) can point out the oddity in Conelis' Post 419.

john
If the picture you're asking about is the the one with the luggage, I give up!

Tom
Hi Tom,
John means the comment US Marchal 7 inch versus 7,25 europeen Marchal I think
But my englisch is poor.
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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 7:46 am

klv wrote:Same tail light units that we sell for Alfa Giuliettas. They have been reproduced. There are two slightly different styles, one with a 'narrow' slot for the light to emit and one with a wider slot. They were fitted to both the Pininfarina bodied Spiders as well as the Bertone bodied cars.

Andrew
Yes Andrew,
thats right,
My expierance with those reproductions are doubfull.
the chrom(china ? ) peals off after one season ,and often no engravement with text of Carrello.
see below.
the old ones about 50 year OLD are still have very good looking chrome
other pic shows the two diff ones, the one with the bigger window belong to this thread.
but I can simply drive down to Italy ,which will be a problem for you.
best

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:46 am

I am trying to get some more info to keep this thread a few days more.
looking in my Ferrari -stuff i found an old Motor Revue auteum 1958 nr 27
In this mag there is a test by Paul Frere with diff 250gt's (in german however.)
One of the is 0891GT, a Berlinettta TDF( ex Seidel ???ß) and a beautyfull S1 cabrio compared to each other.
This mag cost 5 german marks in 1958.
I was told a standard labour loan was 20 DM in a MONTH !!

P.S.
Some thing must be said about TY
Starting this little thread cost really time.
Not to compair to keep a whole side a live !
with restauration dairy, filtering spam ,anwsering mails etc etc
I must say he has my full RESPECT.
Doing this next to a normal job
Chapeaux.

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:49 am

Here the article
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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 8:52 am

sorry for the double on
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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:04 am

The Spider 250gt S1 with the nice taillights is unknown to me
0891 GT was probebly longer a PR car for journelists .

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:19 am

Paul Prère next to Moss.
He died in 2008.
A Belgium driver and journalist
Did a lot with O. Gendebien (belgium pilot too.)
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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:21 am

TYPO
Paul Frére NOT Prére.

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:27 am

To be compleet.
Oliver Gendebien.

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by John Vardanian » Tue Feb 22, 2011 4:23 pm

tyang wrote:
John Vardanian wrote:
250GT wrote:Pic 5

C.
Okay, see if anyone (well, PF Coupe lover) can point out the oddity in Conelis' Post 419.

john
If the picture you're asking about is the the one with the luggage, I give up!

Tom

Yes, I am talking about the picture with the trunk open and the luggage.

If you really know your PF coupe, you'll detect something with the tail lamps in this photo. But what?

john
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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:26 am

If the picture you're asking about is the the one with the luggage, I give up!

Tom[/quote]


Yes, I am talking about the picture with the trunk open and the luggage.

If you really know your PF coupe, you'll detect something with the tail lamps in this photo. But what?

john[/quote]

I am not that expert John, but you probebly see the two tone lenses.
Yellow/Red Europeen model lens.
all Red is US-export . model.
these compleet tailunits are very rear to find , after they started a new production line 250GT Carlifornia spider.
No repros till now?
see below
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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Wed Feb 23, 2011 8:42 am

Pic 2 (again) plus pic 7

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Re: Preproduction 0891GT versus S1 PF coupe

Post by 250GT » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:53 am

I placed these two pics 2+7
Because they show clearly that the rubbermats which were fixated with pressbuttons on the floor.
Original mats which can be found on old period PF factory pictures.
From 166,212 375MM, 500mondial, all 250GT and some 330GT.
They were delivered new with the car -I think-
Those mats very popular in the 50th &60th.
Thery were available for most italien cars from fiat 500 till all Alfa's
Stange we don't see them in those 100 point cars.
To reproduce them with the right logos ,will be more difficult that those reproduction motor decals.
On unrestaurated Worn wilson carpet, I found some times the female parts of the pressbuttons on top of the Wilsons
see pic 2 ,At the pedals visible.
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