a new project begins

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kare
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Re: a new project begins

Post by kare » Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:36 pm

tyang wrote:The bottom of the valance does not come down as far as the later GTEs.
At least three completely different types of front valances were used early on. This is the first version that was used up to s/n 22xx. The 2nd version was used up to 27xx and third version from there on. Some of it is documented in the parts catalogue, but it is far from accurate.

Best wishes, Kare

PS. Zac, did you get the wipers running?
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Re: a new project begins

Post by h00kem » Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:56 pm

Beautiful! Great job!
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Re: a new project begins

Post by Michael Bayer » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:21 am

Zac: It is SPECTACULAR! Bravo, M
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Rudy van Daalen Wetters
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Re: a new project begins

Post by Rudy van Daalen Wetters » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:29 am

Stunning car, incredible, love it!
Wished I made it that day.

Question on brake fluid resevoir cap.
Not a "Fiat" cap on this car?

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Re: a new project begins

Post by 250GT » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:27 am

Rudy van Daalen Wetters wrote:Stunning car, incredible, love it!
Wished I made it that day.

Question on brake fluid resevoir cap.
Not a "Fiat" cap on this car?

Rudy van Daalen Wetters
1963 GTE s/n 4001
1966 330 GT s/n 8705
Rudy ,
Take of the sunglasses the cap is painted black, thats is correct.
The only thing in that corner ,Which can be said ,Is that the Bonaldi is not placed in line.
the metal Bonaldi decal dissapiered after putting in the engine.

but thats ALL peanuts.

ciao
C.

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Re: a new project begins

Post by tyang » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:25 am

Rudy van Daalen Wetters wrote:Stunning car, incredible, love it!
Wished I made it that day.

Question on brake fluid resevoir cap.
Not a "Fiat" cap on this car?

Rudy van Daalen Wetters
1963 GTE s/n 4001
1966 330 GT s/n 8705
The blue Fiat label is under the black paint. I've seen flat black, wrinkle black, and the plain blue Fiat label on the reservoir cap. The logic behind the paint is Ferrari painted over these caps so there would not be a "FIAT" logo in the Ferrari engine compartment. I think through the years, owners have cleaned up the paint, and left off the original paint covering the logo. I paint the caps with flat black paint when I detail a car.

Tom

nice job Zac. I hope I get to see the car in Monterey?
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Re: a new project begins

Post by kare » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:32 am

I think that FIAT logo was painted over ONLY on some early cars that were used for either promotion photos or motor shows. It is VERY RARE to see a black painted cap on period articles. IMO painting it over in a standrad production car is a mistake. I have not studied this in depth yet, but will do so in the future.

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Re: a new project begins

Post by Rudy van Daalen Wetters » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:39 am

Does anyone have a current photo of
an actual unrestored Fiat cap that is
painted? My thought is that the paint
was very thin and that there would
have been serious adhesion issues
with any type of paint sticking to
such a smooth surface. Just curious.

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Re: a new project begins

Post by 250GT » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:44 pm

Rudy van Daalen Wetters wrote:Does anyone have a current photo of
an actual unrestored Fiat cap that is
painted? My thought is that the paint
was very thin and that there would
have been serious adhesion issues
with any type of paint sticking to
such a smooth surface. Just curious.

Rudy van Daalen Wetters
1963 GTE s/n 4001
1966 330 GT s/n 8705

I am getting more and more the impression thats allways ME, who has to do the durty work to
satisfy you all-
First coils, now oilreservoirs when does this have an END whats next ?
See reservoir in bluebox unretored with some paint left,
But one problem it came out an ......................1960 PF coupe.
send some pics for some new discussion.
The original Bonaldi has as N.O.S............... an small brass tag,
OH OH this gives more problems again.
all the best.
C.
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Re: a new project begins

Post by 250GT » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:04 pm

Don't get nervus potential PB winners,
I think no Judge knows of its item at all.
I think this is great Humor.
C.
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Re: a new project begins

Post by Rudy van Daalen Wetters » Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:44 pm

What car is the silver resevoir on the right?
It appears identical to the ones on my Father's
former 1956 500 TR.

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Re: a new project begins

Post by 250GT » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:28 pm

Rudy van Daalen Wetters wrote:What car is the silver resevoir on the right?
It appears identical to the ones on my Father's
former 1956 500 TR.

Rudy van Daalen Wetters
1963 GTE s/n 4001
1966 330 GT s/n 8705
Excellant Rudy,
used on all race cars from 1954-1959 plus Europa/ Boano/Ellena first PF ,TDF, 375 etc
You ask I can answer.
The black one on serie 1+2 PF serie sometimes with chrome cap no painted

Cornelis

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Re: a new project begins

Post by zac » Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:39 pm

Thank You for the complements and comments

original booster sticker location was measured off the original when I removed it before plating, note 2171s sticker and in the scan from the 1960 yearbook. Also here is a picture of the brake resivoir cap on 2171 with the black undercoating in place, I have other reference pictures on cars but they can not be shared in a public forum. You can also look on page 70 of the GTE owners manual to see the resivoir cap clearly painted over, I agree with Kare' though it may have been done on cars that lead a more public life and left alone on customer cars. Another possibilty is that people replaced the brake fluid cap over the years with a Fiat one since they are easy to find and once that gasket goes it leaks fluid all over the engine. I have seen the brass tag on several boosters and it is on the GTE, it is just located in the bottom corner out of sight because that is where I found it when I did the disassembly. last picture is of 1891s booster and resivoir which shows sticker location and a brake resivoir cap unpainted.

please keep the comments coming though, I have done lots of research over the process of doing this car but it is impossible to know everything.
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Re: a new project begins

Post by 250GT » Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:40 pm

Hi Zac,
the second foto is very interesting,
because each distributor has 2 coils and 2 condensators !!!!!!
And no red resistors.
Never see this on any Ferrari,
only on Maserati and comp. cars.
Is this an Marelli distributor?
It will be impassible to find this caps .

All the best.
All the other Yangers are sleeping, I think.

C.
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Re: a new project begins

Post by Chris Coios » Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:48 pm

They look like Bosch distributors (?)- they were original on some of the 400 SuperAmericas. Would not be surprised if they are found here and there on the odd 250 or 330. Like the Lucas distributors used by Ferrari for a small number of cars in the late 1950s, Ferrari sometimes experimented with suppliers.

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